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From The Liberty Wall – Nations without States – What Must Be Done (11)

Nations without States believes that all self-determinists will find Global Markets Free Nations of great interest.

WELCOME to issue 11 of What Must Be Done, the publically-available organising bulletin of Nations without States. NwS supporters are asked to read – and more importantly – act upon the instructions detailed below:

• NATION. Issue 3 of Nation – the Newsletter of Nations without States – will be out in pdf form within the next couple of weeks.  This is a EU Referendum special issue.  The Referendum will be held on 23rd June so we won’t have too long to distribute it prior to the vote.  Therefore, we’re asking all those who believe in self-determination to pre-order Nation by e-mailing Nations without States at nationswstates@aol.com today!
As soon as it is out we’ll send it to you.  When you receive it please forward it on to all fellow self-determinists.  Please also promote it as widely as possible using all forms of social media that you have access to.
The main article – To Dream Of Freedom! – contrasts the current EU with the NwS ‘dream of a Europe of free nations and peoples.’ Another article looks at the Free Speech: How Do We Protect It? Facebook group who’ve produced issue 1 of their publication, Free Speech.  Of particular interest to all self-determinists is that Free Speech is more than willing to examine incidences of any State trying to limit free speech.
The main article on the back page of Nation is called Action! It looks at how the NwS Organising Committee – consisting of Doris Jones, Jagdeesh Singh, Graham Williamson and Sockalingam Yogalingam –  are active both in the corridors of power and on the streets.  Their vision of a world consisting of rooted – ‘natural’ – nations’ replacingSuperstates and empires’ is explained.  Those who support NwS are encouraged to become active because self-determination is not going to be achieved without action.’
Returning to the lead article, it notes that the EU is a rich man’s club for powerful corporate big business and banking elites.  Their underlings – the politicians – are happy enough with the trappings of power.’  Nation believes that the EU will eventually transform itself into a United States of Europe. ‘This will have to be a highly centralised political and economic system.  The voices of ordinary people will never be heard.  For it to succeed, there will have to be very little – or no – democracy, even less accountability and less freedom.’
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The alternative to this centralist United States of Europe is ‘free and independent nations running their internal affairs the way they want to.’ Such nations would adhere to their traditions, customs and way of life.  They would have the absolute right to say how they work, who they trade with and who can come to live and work in their country.
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As well as national freedom, Nation advocates social justice.  Here the people will ‘get a real say in the running of their nation’ via a system of popular rule – true democracy. This would involve proportional representation, a system of recall as well as preferendums and referendums.
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The article also provides some information about a group which should be of great interest to fellow self-determinists.  Called Global Markets Free Nations, one of its leading figures is well-known Self-Determinist and Human Rights activist, Upkar Singh Rai.  Like ourselves, Global Markets Free Nations would prefer to see small, free and Independent states rather than large power-blocs that lead to conflict and seek to grow at the expense of others.
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Talking to Nation about the fight to get Britain out of the EU, Upkar said “It is ironic that there are still many nations in the world searching for their freedom and independence so it makes no sense for the citizens of the UK to give away their independence!”
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Supporters of self-determination can check out Global Markets Free Nations here: https://www.facebook.com/globalmarketsfreenations/?fref=ts
• The above article should be read in conjunction with the following:
What Must Be Done – Issue 1: http://nationalliberal.org/from-the-liberty-wall-%e2%80%93-nations-without-states-3
What Must Be Done – Issue 2: http://nationalliberal.org/national-liberal-party-%e2%80%93-from-the-liberty-wall-%e2%80%93-nations-without-states
What Must Be Done – Issue 3: http://nationalliberal.org/from-the-liberty-wall-%e2%80%93-nations-without-states-4
What Must Be Done – Issue 4: http://nationalliberal.org/from-the-liberty-wall-%e2%80%93-nations-without-states-%e2%80%93-what-must-be-done-4
What Must Be Done – Issue 5: http://nationalliberal.org/from-the-liberty-wall-%e2%80%93-nations-without-states-%e2%80%93-what-must-be-done-5
What Must Be Done – Issue 6: http://nationalliberal.org/from-the-liberty-wall-nations-without-states-%e2%80%93-what-must-be-done-6
What Must Be Done – Issue 7: http://nationalliberal.org/national-liberal-party-%E2%80%93-from-the-liberty-wall-nations-without-states-%E2%80%93-what-must-be-done-7
What Must Be Done – Issue 8: http://nationalliberal.org/from-the-liberty-wall-%e2%80%93-nations-without-states-%e2%80%93-what-must-be-done-8
What Must Be Done – Issue 9: http://nationalliberal.org/from-the-liberty-wall-%e2%80%93-nations-without-states-%e2%80%93-what-must-be-done-9

What Must Be Done – Issue 10: http://nationalliberal.org/from-the-liberty-wall-%e2%80%93-nations-without-states-what-must-be-done-10

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From The Liberty Wall – St. George’s Committee – A Tale Of Two Cities!

MANY ENGLISH ADVOCATES recently celebrated St. George’s Day in style. However, as this report from the St. George’s Committee notes, not everyone is in favour of letting the English celebrate their national day in England.

The St. George’s Committee is a cultural organisation. Indeed, it is a Anglo-centric movement which seeks to preserve, protect and promote English history, heritage, traditions, identity and culture.

Those who’re interested in supporting the St. George’s Committee with their work should check out their Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/stgeorgescommittee/

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A Tale Of Two Cities!

ONCE AGAIN the Stone Cross St George Community Organisation pulled out all the stops to celebrate St George’s Day!

Thousands attended the family-orientated St George’s Day parade in West Bromwich. The parade ended with a family fun day and rally at Dartmouth Park. Entertainment in the park included go karts, bouncy castles, a fair, craft stalls and living history encampments.

For further details check out the Facebook site of Stone Cross St George: https://www.facebook.com/stgeorge.day/?fref=ts

Less pleasing to English Advocates was the actions of Bristol City Council who allowed the national day to pass without a single official event.

According to a report in the Expresshttp://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/663922/Anger-as-council-officials-say-UK-city-is-too-multicultural-to-celebrate-St-George-s-Day – which, admittedly, is ‘right wing’ in orientation:

‘Council chiefs said 91 different languages are spoken in the town and it would be “very difficult to commemorate them all”.

Some in the area feel as though the English symbol has been hijacked by far right groups and are concerned about being branded “racist”.’

Thankfully, some Bristol-based community-led St. George’s Day celebrations went ahead. However, the St. George’s Committee is getting tired and frustrated with our flag, our people and our nation constantly being linked to ‘racism’.

However, it’s our belief that if the local authorities don’t – or won’t – acknowledge St. George’s Day, then the English must do it ourselves. We must resist what increasingly appear to be official attempts to airbrush the English from history.

English Advocates (including the St. George’s Committee) should look to the Stone Cross St George Community Organisation to see what a few determined individuals can achieve.

Neither should we take accusations of racism lying down.

First of all English are not a race – we are an ethnic group. And an ethnic group is simply a group of individuals who share a common yet unique self-identity.

Ethnic groups usually share a common self-name and a sense of common identity amongst the individuals who are identified within the group.

The common factors that distinguish an ethnic group include language, a common history, a common ancestry, customs and the sharing of a common geographical area or origin.

Ethnicity is different to race in that race is biologically predetermined but ethnicity is something that is culturally conditioned, sometimes subjectively perceived and not necessarily objective.

The important feature of ethnicity is that members of an ethnic group are conscious of belonging to an ethnic group.

With this in mind, English Advocates must throw the accusation of ‘racism’ back into the faces of those who spout it in the first place. For they are the real racists!

The proof of this can easily be demonstrated.

For the people who accuse the English of being racist (just because we wish to celebrate our national day) would not dare accuse the Irish, Scots or any others of racism if they wanted to celebrate St. Patrick’s Day or St. Andrew’s Day.

We have absolutely no problem with this. We have nothing against other groups wishing to celebrate their uniqueness. However, we object to being discriminated against – and we object to the English not being allowed to celebrate our Patron Saint in our own land!

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From The Liberty Wall – National Liberal Trade Unionists – Words Of Wisdom – Bob Crow (1961 – 2014)
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“The Social Europe agenda was always a smoke screen to fool the organised working class that we had something in common with big business.  We didn’t then and we don’t today when unelected EU institutions, directly representing Europe’s biggest banks, are removing elected governments and imposing mass unemployment, social dumping and unending austerity everywhere”.
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• PLEASE NOTE that National Liberal Trade Unionists – NLTU – are not interested in class warfare.  Indeed, we are non-socialist Trade Unionists.  As we have noted elsewhere – http://nationalliberal.org/liberty-wall-3/national-liberal-trade-unionist – the NLTU believes that the function of a trade union is to protect the interests of its’ members at work rather than as an arm of political or class revolution’.
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With this in mind, however, we feel that the late Bob Crow’s analysis of the anti-democratic nature of the EU is spot on.  Furthermore, we feel that the EU is merely the plaything of big business and has nothing to offer ordinary working families.
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From The Liberty Wall – St George’s Committee Debate (5) – What Dangers Do We Face?
ST. GEORGE’S DAY – 23rd April – is only a few weeks away. It’s therefore fairly appropriate for the National Liberal Party to highlight the latest St. George’s Committee debate. This debate (posted up on their Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/
stgeorgescommittee/?fref=ts&ref=br_tf towards the middle of March) looked at three main threats to English identity and culture.

According to the St. George’s Committee ‘they are – in no particular order – the confusion between being English or British, mass immigration and the negative effects of US consumer culture’.

It’s probably true to say that mass immigration is more visible than the other listed threats. However, it could be argued that the greatest threat to English identity and culture is that posed by US consumer culture.

This is because it reduces everyone – irrespective of race, ethnicity or religion – to a consumerist drone. People lose all sense of their real identity and become slaves to US corporations instead.

St George’s Committee Debate (5) – What Dangers Do We Face?

AS WE’VE pointed out many times before, the St. George’s Committee is a cultural organisation. Indeed, we are an Anglo-centric movement in that we wish to preserve, protect and promote English history, heritage, traditions, identity and culture.

Whilst we are strictly non-political, we recognise that there is a strong link between culture and politics. If the politicians in Westminster and/or the European Union pass laws that relate to English culture, we have a right and a duty to discuss them.

With this in mind, we’d like to ask our supporters to debate what the main dangers to English culture are.

We feel that there are three main dangers. They are – in no particular order – the confusion between being English or British, mass immigration and the negative effects of US consumer culture.

As we mentioned earlier, the St. George’s Committee is an Anglo-centric movement. We are proud to be English. We may not agree with everything that has been done in our name but, on the whole, we are proud of our English history, heritage, traditions, identity and culture.

We feel that we are a distinct people. Our Anglo-Saxon roots mean that we are different from the rest of those who inhabit the British Isles. However, there is still massive confusion between being English and being British. Why is this?

We also feel that mass immigration presents a danger to English culture. Like Welsh cultural activists – who understandably want a Welsh Wales – we English cultural activists want an English England. This outlook is not based or hatred. It is shared by indigenous peoples the world over.

How many immigrants (each with a culture of their own) can England absorb before English culture suffers? What happens when an aspect of one culture clashed with another? The current massive population shift from the Middle East into Europe brings this into sharp focus.

Finally, we feel that the influence of US consumer culture has had a massive – and detrimental effect – on English culture. But what is US consumer culture and why is it so powerful? This definition – from the Houston Chronicle http://smallbusiness.chron.com/consumer-culture-57886.html – is fairly succinct:

‘Consumer culture is a form of capitalism in which the economy is focused on the selling of consumer goods and the spending of consumer money. Most economists agree that the United States is a consumer culture. A significant part of consumer culture is an emphasis on lifestyle and using material goods to attain happiness and satisfaction. Businesses large and small can capitalize by focusing their marketing on this culture.’

Given that the vast majority of English cultural activists appear to be from a lower or middle income background, how do we halt this (seemingly unstoppable) force of Globalism?

We hope to cover these threats to English culture in greater detail in later debates. For now, however, we’d be interested in your initial thoughts.

• THIS ARTICLE should be read in conjunction with the following:
St. George’s Committee Debate (1) – How Do We Promote English History, Heritage, Traditions, Identity & Culture? (19/07/2013) http://nationalliberal.org/from-the-liberty-wall-%e2%80%93-st-george%e2%80%99s-committee-debate-1-%e2%80%93-how-do-we-promote-english-history-heritage-traditions-identity-culture
St. George’s Committee Debate (2) – Why Does The Establishment Hate The English? (29/10/2013) http://nationalliberal.org/from-the-liberty-wall-%e2%80%93-st-george%e2%80%99s-committee-debate-2-%e2%80%93-why-does-the-establishment-hate-the-english
St. George’s Committee Debate (3) – Is Anglophobia A Form Of Racism? (01/05/2015) http://nationalliberal.org/from-the-liberty-wall-st-george%e2%80%99s-committee-debate-3-%e2%80%93-is-anglophobia-a-form-of-racism
St. George’s Committee Debate (4) – Can English Culture Survive Under Westminster Rule? (27/11/15) http://nationalliberal.org/from-the-liberty-wall-%e2%80%93-st-george%e2%80%99s-committee-debate-4-%e2%80%93-can-english-culture-survive-under-westminster-rule
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From The Liberty Wall – 4WR – A Charter For Freedom: Interview With Peter Challen Of The Independent Constitutionalists

THE FOLLOWING article appeared on the Facebook page of Fourth World Review4WR – towards the middle of last month https://www.facebook.com/groups/288486767860011/?ref=br_tf It features an interview with Rev Peter Challen, a representative of a reasonably new political group called the Independent Constitutionalists.

The Independent Constitutionalists have some remarkably similar ideas to the NLPs – although there are clear differences as well. National Liberals would be particularly interested in the ICs call for England to become a sovereign nation state, their regionalist agenda and a call for ‘a written constitution based on a living charter of principles called a People’s 21st Century Magna Carta.’

We hope our readers will find this interview of interest. As always we positively encourage debate! The National Liberal Party would really appreciate your comments – good bad or indiffent – on this 4WR interview with Peter Challen. To share your views, simply look out for this article on the National Liberals facebook site https://www.facebook.com/groups/52739504313/?fref=nf and have your say in the comments section.

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A Charter For Freedom: Interview With Peter Challen Of The Independent Constitutionalists


Rev. Peter Challen of the Independent Constitutionalists UK

SOME READERS may recall that Wayne John Sturgeon interviewed Rev Peter Challen in issue 153 (Winter 2011) of Fourth World Review – 4WR. This interview focused on Peter’s Christian background and his work with the Christian Council for Monetry Justice – CCMJ.

Here Rev Challen noted that the CCMJ’s mission “is to awaken people to the fact that for centuries western societies have been increasingly treating people, land, assets, money and intellectual property as commodities, in each case exploitatively; and to advance practical ways that these can be changed.”

This reflects our own view that not only are the banks are too large they are literally creating credit out of nothing – and then have the nerve to charge interest on any loan they make. This is usury and it is totally unjust and immoral.

The following is a follow up interview with Peter Challen – again conducted by 4WR joint editor Wayne John Sturgeon. Here we see that Rev Challen has become involved with a new political organisation, Trustees-All Independent Constitutionalists UK. They are ‘working to create a People’s Political-Economy of Trusteeship in the Harmony of Nature, and a New Confederation for the Islands of Britain’.


Interestingly they want to ‘use the system to become the system to change the system to recover trust’.


The Independent Constitutionalists have a very unique internal structure:


‘We are the first independent, bottom-up, non-power-based political party, independent of all existing political parties, and free of official membership, of constituency selection committees, and of central funding beholden to vested interest sponsors.


People offer our party support as individuals and do so as citizens in a Trustees-All Movement. We deem all current political, economic & social institutions unfit for purpose since unable to secure the trust of the people. Root and branch reform of these institutions, according to recognised yet rarely achieved principles of genuine democracy, is thus required’.


To find out more, check out their web-site http://www.constitutionalists.uk/ Readers of 4WR will find much of interest here, especially the Charter section.

If anyone has any further questions for Peter Challen – or needs clarification of any of the points raised in this interview – please use the comments section below.



FOURTH WORLD REVIEW: Please could you introduce yourself and how you came to form the Independent Constitutionalists?

PETER CHALLEN: Fifty-Six years an Anglican clergyman of critical loyalty, not willing to leave a sinking ship without some attempt to resume its mission of enabling the concept of the Kin[g]dom of God to permeate a rediscovered ‘People’s Political Economy of Trusteeship in Harmony with Nature’.


During those years of ministry in chaplaincy to economy the conviction grew that the separation of pastoral care and prophetic audit have led on the one hand to institutional dependency, and on the other, to judgements blind to our own complicity in ‘a culture of socially acceptable cheating.’ (1). Pastoral attention and prophetic perceptions are inseparable if we are to rebuild a human society that understands, restates and implements  our covenantal trusteeship of this sacred planet: a planet that the consumerist and competitive culture is now turning at an exponential rate into ‘a cult of killing’, (2) through the collateral damage in which we are all blindly complicit.


For many years I have met in sympathetic agreement and under the threat of personal despair with Ray Sheath, whose concern grows as the drive and drag of even the most socially responsible institutions divert rapidly from the deep changes in our sense of community and trusteeship; of which there is so much evidence. The need now mounting with exponential urgency, is founded in the failures of so much wasted energy poured into social investment, such as Charter 88 and the Scarman Trust.
Together we started to consider how a society driven by power-over could be transformed into one alive to power-with;  realising almost immediately in the face of cynicism that almost nothing is impossible if only you don’t mind who gets the credit and so openly share the enduring  wisdom.


4WR: What is the basic mission of the party?


PETER CHALLEN: In the last two years, by intense consultation struggling into collaboration, an inter-disciplinary group emerged slowly to form a movement called TRUSTEES ALL, signifying the very marked human responsibility within the natural replenishment of this unique planet.  Such a general, ecologically informed shifting of the mindset would help prepare people for the language, vision and pursuit of A PEOPLE’S POLITICAL ECONOMY OF TRUSTEESHIP IN HARMONY WITH NATURE, which by a non-partisan, non-violent and boldly inclusive way would ‘use the system to become the system, to change the system, to restore trust.’


4WR: Do you support the principle of Confederation? Please could you clarify how this differs from Federalism?


PETER CHALLEN: Confederation is a concept founded in mutuality and lying beyond both permanent hierarchy and the avoiding of vested interests still found in federation.  It is the horizontal form of influence-sharing capable of  reaching the best solutions to tasks and problems relating to the common good, while maintaining a pattern of governance and interim specifically functional positions of oversight for the given complex task founded in genuine democracy. The interaction of local sovereignty and shared accountability within a living written constitution provides confederation with an integral relationship to subsidiarity.


4WR: Can the principle of Subsidarity be consistent with that of national Sovereignty?


PETER CHALLEN: Provision for decisions to be taken at their lowest appropriate level is a vital element of responsible citizenship. Non-hierarchical subsidiarity encourages involvement by all in the common good of a transparently and inclusively just society.


4WR: What are your views on the EU and UN?


PETER CHALLEN: The essence of an evolving movement for citizen participation means that the understanding of these international relationships will mature and change out of a renewed sense of what is best for the British Isles under their new confederate status but within an ever more inter-related approach to common good of people and planet.
4WR: Do you uphold English Common Law or Natural Law against Positivist Law?


PETER CHALLEN: The phrase ’in harmony with nature’ indicates that in the light of quantum physics and quantum theology   this movement adds public energy to the necessity of ending the dualism of humans and nature.  Ecology and economy are reconnected in the process proposed under accountable political governance.


4WR: Can you explain your concept of Democafe?


PETER CHALLEN: Playing on both ‘democracy’ and ‘demonstration’ we seek to generate models for public discourse as widely as possible. Noting the contribution to the evolving of Independent Constitutionalists through the week by week presence for 18 years of the London Global Open Table as a focus, we are trying to expand the public examination of the paucity of inclusive justice and the means of restoring it by participative involvement by all citizens by increasing the significance of everyone’s democratic vote for independent candidates.  Such independents are then encouraged to accept their inter-dependance for the sake of common good.  In this endeavour we are gradually defining three common ‘B’s,
1. being Bound by the evolving of initial interim Manifesto and Charter,
2. sharing the Bond of democratic ways of working, and
3. all appearing in public under the Banner of the formal ‘Party-without-organisation’ which is registered with the Electoral Commission and ready to encourage advocates in this egalitarian thrust for sanity and democracy.


4WR: Could a Citizens Dividend be combined with a Land Value Tax?


PETER CHALLEN: Preferring ‘Charge’ to ‘Tax’, the Charter assumes that both these elements, within the systemic  change we work towards, will make their combined impact on the writing of the Constitution and in its constant audit by the new House of Commons by the Constitutional  Parliament replacing the House of Lords. This will increase the achievement of identity, dignity, mutual sensitivities and basic human rights for all.


4WR: What is the significance of the year 2015 in relation to the Magna Carta?


PETER CHALLEN: It was the 800 years Thames-side landmark that focussed our minds on action.  It brought to the surface so many insights, understandings and misconceptions as to feed the collaborative dialogue through which Independent Constitutionalists UK [ICUK] is evolving.  Fred Harrison’s erudite critique in recent books and papers  have been invaluable in helping us to learn from the past, but also to discern the new order of inequality, privilege, power-over  and therefore the innovative process that is now being described and steadily improved.  2015 is now slipping into our provenance but to be less in use as the initiative slowly gains its own authenticity.


4WR: What is your mission strategy in relation to constitutional reform? What would happen to the House of Lords and the Monarchy?


PETER CHALLEN: The manifesto outlines the process by which the writing of the living constitution will be a people’s contributory process as the House of Lords is replaced by a Constitutional Parliament with a permanent audit function in relation to the law-making House of Commons. The monarchy will then be considered in a democratic appraisal when the time is ripe.


4WR: Where can one find out more?


PETER CHALLEN: A] At the face to face level an open Strategy Forum meeting every second Wednesday in the month in central London to appraise the participatory contributions flowing in via various channels and to make interim decisions so that the process remains fluid but positive and overt.  B] The keepers of the vision in that Strategy Forum, and others whose confidence grows in communicating the nature of the initiative, will also expect to enter into explanatory dialogue at many points , costly tho’ this aspect of inclusive democracy is. D] In the voluntary nature of this Party without organisation, ‘cells’ will meet and contribute their studies to the cause. Anyone can start such a cell and report the findings.


4WR: What are your current and future projects?


PETER CHALLEN: E] in enhancing the sequence above, the immediate task is the improvement of the new website as a tool of accessible, accurate and participative means of developing, interpreting and making habitual in common use, the language of Confederation and Subsidiarity that we may inspire wide-ranging commitment to achieving major steps to change in the next general election.


Rev. Peter Challen
Sloan Fellow of the London Business School
Chaplain in the Economy
Canon Emeritus the Diocese of Southwark
Moderator of the London Global Open Table


Peterchallen@gmail.com
http://www.constitutionalists.uk


1)  The Traumastised Society – How to Outlaw Cheating and Save our Civilisation Harrison 2012


2)  As Evil Does –Handbook on Humanity 1:  Anatomy of a Killing Cult Harrison 2015

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From The Liberty Wall – Nations without States – Stop Turkey’s War On The Kurds!

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