Monday, 1 September 2014

National Liberal Debate 13 – Should We Bring Back The Death Penalty? Have Your Say!
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Leftist Bob Crow supported the death penalty whilst Tory Enoch Powell opposed it. Where do you stand?

THE MANY problems faced by Britain – whether economic or social – are not going to be solved by screaming and shouting. Thus, the National Liberal Party is not interested in ‘hitting the headlines’ using the tired formula of macho–posturing and gesture politics. These problems will only be overcome by a combination of careful thought and action.

This means that we favour informed and reasoned debate. Here we concentrate on arguments, points of view and facts. We are not interested in personalities, prejudice or promoting self-interest.

The National Liberal Party seeks to build an organisation that encourages free speech and debate. To do this, we also attempt to take into consideration as many views as is possible in open debate. Thus, members and supporters are always encouraged to have their say.

We’re also interested in encouraging people to develop their debating skills. That’s why the NLP has introduced a new series of articles called Have Your Say! Whilst each subject will be announced on this web-site, they’ll be conducted in full on the National Liberals Facebook site, which can be found here:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/52739504313/

Before we start this debate we’d like to remind folks of our ground rules:

  • First of all, say what you think – but think what you say.

  • Secondly, just debate the issue(s) raised. There should be no personal attacks.

  • As previously noted, we’re simply not interested in personalities.

  • Please note that we may ask selected members and supporters to play ‘devil’s advocate’. Hopefully, this’ll help sharpen the debating skills of all involved!

  • Finally, it should be remembered that all of the views expressed in Have Your Say! are personal and should not be taken to be the official view of the NLP itself.

Our latest question is simple – should we bring back the death penalty?  In part, this question is prompted by growing demands to ‘bring back hanging’ for the likes of the Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale (who killed Fusilier Drummer Lee Rigby in May 2013) and those involved in the sexual abuse of children.

Our question is also prompted by the fact that it is a subject that can transcend the traditional ‘left/right’ divide.  Altough advocating the death penalty is often seen as a ‘right wing’ cause, the prominent Lenninist Bob Crow supported this position whilst arch-Tory Enoch Powell was firmly opposed.  It’s also probably true to say that the vast majority of those who would descibe themselves as ‘working-class’ would support capital punishment.

With this in mind, what’s your view?  Should the death penalty be brought back – if so, on what grounds?  If you’re opposed to hanging, how would you deal with murderers, drug dealers and child molesters?

Let us know your views – simply check out the debate at Facebook/National Liberals today!

• THIS ARTICLE should be read in conjunction with:

Ten Of The Best! (13/03/2014) http://nationalliberal.org/ten-of-the-best

National Liberal Debate 11 – Outside Of London Who Should National Liberals Vote For In The Euro-Elections? Have Your Say! (15/05/2014) http://nationalliberal.org/national-liberal-debate-11-%E2%80%93-outside-of-london-who-should-national-liberals-vote-for-in-the-euro-elections-have-your-say

National Liberal Debate 12 – What’s Our Take On UKIP? Have Your Say! (22/06/2014) http://nationalliberal.org/national-liberal-debate-12-what%e2%80%99s-our-take-on-ukip-have-your-say
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Raw Deal
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THE NATIONAL LIBERAL PARTY is well-known for its support for local shops, businesses and the self-employed.

We support these small-scale enterprises because we believe that a just and sustainable social order can only exist in which the ownership of property and the means of production, distribution and exchange are widespread. Whilst we are not a class-based organisation, the NLP – in particular – wishes to improve the material lot of the poorest and most disadvantaged.

As part of our support for small enterprises we stand in opposition to the vast economic, social and political power welded by the massive supermarket chains. We feel that unhindered, the supermarkets will be able to squeeze small retailers out of business altogther. This will be unhealthy in the extreme.

Another reason why we oppose the massive supermarket chains is because they pay their suppliers peanuts and then charge what they want for the produce supplied.

The Irish Farmers’ Association say that their members are getting a raw deal from the supermarkets

A case in point was recently highlighted in a brief report by the Irish Independent. Here, Irish farmers (organised by the Irish Farmers’ Association – IFA) had taken to mounting pickets outside various large retail outlets in Co Kerry and Co Galway.

The IFA protest concerns the drop in prices paid by factories for lamb. But the Irish farmers lay the blame for this at the doors of the big retailers like Dunnes Stores, Tesco and SuperValu.

According to farmer Kevin O’Sullivan, they are paid €4.80/kg for their lamb at the factory, but Dunnes are selling the end product – gigot chops – at €16.89/kg. To illustrate the drop in income, Mr O’Sullivan noted that:

“The price we’re getting fell from €6.50/kg at Easter down to €4.80/kg now and every year it’s the same story and we cannot survive at these prices.”

We agree with the IFA that all farmers should be paid a viable price for their produce. At the moment they are getting a raw deal.

Their plight illustrates that the large supermarkets can dictate prices to suit themselves. This is against the interests of both farmers and the general public. As usual, the only ones who profit from this are the supermarkets themselves.

• Check out the web-site of the Irish Independent here: http://www.independent.ie/

• Check out the web-site of the Irish Farmers’ Association here: http://www.ifa.ie/

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From the Liberty Wall – St. George’s Committee Debate (3) – How Do We Replace The Negative Media Stereotype Of England And The English?
GENUINE ENGLISH ADVOCATES – like the St. George’s Committee – universally accept that we must do more to promote English history, heritage, traditions, identity & culture. But in doing so, we face massive challenges. But what are these challenges – and how do we overcome them?

The St. George’s Committee (SGC) feels that prehaps the greatest challenge is that presented by sections of the mass media. This is because many invididuals involved in the media appear to be extremely Anglophobic – in that they exhibit an irrational hatred and loathing of England and the English.

This Anglophobia has led them to smear an entire people and nation. Sadly, they’ve been very successful in doing this. For there’s now a sweeping assumption that the English have no separate identity or culture whatsoever and that we are all simply beer-swilling football holigans. In addition, many people feel that the English are inherently racist and imperialist.

Of course all this is all nonsense. We have absolutely no interest in trying to ‘lord it up’ over others by enforcing our customs and traditions on them. No genuine English patriot would advocate this.

Indeed – if truth be told – most ordinary English working folks have more pressing things on their minds. These would include trying to pay bills and making ends meet rather than trying to repace the former British Empire with a new English Empire!

With this in mind, our question to all English advocates is twofold:

• How do we replace the (Anglophobic) negative media stereotype of England and the English?

• How do English patriots build – and promote – a positive image of themselves and what they stand for?

The debate will be held on the St. George’s Committee facebook page https://www.facebook.com/stgeorgescommittee?fref=ts

Check out our previous debates:

St. George’s Committee Debate (1) – How Do We Promote English History, Heritage, Traditions, Identity & Culture? (19/07/2013) http://nationalliberal.org/from-the-liberty-wall-%e2%80%93-st-george%e2%80%99s-committee-debate-1-%e2%80%93-how-do-we-promote-english-history-heritage-traditions-identity-culture

St. George’s Committee Debate (2) – Why Does The Establishment Hate The English? (29/10/2013) http://nationalliberal.org/from-the-liberty-wall-%e2%80%93-st-george%e2%80%99s-committee-debate-2-%e2%80%93-why-does-the-establishment-hate-the-english
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