Thursday, 22 January 2026

President Trump, The Death Penalty, The EU Referendum & International Women’s Day – What Do They All Have In Common?

President Donald Trump and International Women’s Day have both featured on our regular discussion forum.

PRESIDENT TRUMP, the Death Penalty, the EU Referendum & International Women’s Day – what do they all have in common?  Well nothing that we know of – except that they’ve all been hot topics of debate for National Liberal Party members and supporters!

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Let us explain.  Regular readers will know the NLP hosts on-line debates relating to a varirty of subjects.  We do this for a couple of reasons:

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• We’ve always been wary of both deliberate lies (now commonly known as ‘fake news’) and also what passes for ‘news’ these days – such as that based on gossip, rumour, speculation, allegation, innuendo, voyeurism and propaganda.

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We also reject macho–posturing and gesture politics. National Liberals are therefore in favour of informed and reasoned debate. Here we concentrate on arguments, points of view and facts. We are not interested in personalities, prejudice or promoting self-interest.

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• At the very heart of National Liberalism is the desire for self-determination.  The three principle strands of self-determination are national, political and economic.  Political self-determination seeks to ensure that the collective will of the people is reflected in decision making.  One way to do this is via referendums, preferendums.  And these can only be held if we have the absolute right to free speech, free debate and free assembly.

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That’s the theory out of the way.  Now we come to the practical.

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The best way to take part in our many debates is to wait until they appear on our Facebook page – https://www.facebook.com/groups/52739504313/ – and then have your say in the comments section below the article itself.

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We hope to hold our 21st debate in the very near future.  In the meantime, readers can cast their eye over the previous twenty:

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Ten Of The Best! http://nationalliberal.org/ten-of-the-best

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National Liberal Debate 11 – Outside Of London Who Should National Liberals

Vote For In The Euro-Elections? Have Your Say! http://nationalliberal.org/national-liberal-debate-11-%E2%80%93-outside-of-london-who-should-national-liberals-vote-for-in-the-euro-elections-have-your-say

National Liberal Debate 12 – What’s Our Take On UKIP? Have Your Say! http://nationalliberal.org/national-liberal-debate-12-what%e2%80%99s-our-take-on-ukip-have-your-say

National Liberal Debate 13 – Should We Bring Back The Death Penalty? Have Your Say! http://nationalliberal.org/national-liberal-debate-13-should-we-bring-back-the-death-penalty-have-your-say

National Liberal Debate 14 – I Am Charlie. I Am Not Charlie. Have Your Say! http://nationalliberal.org/national-liberal-debate-14-%e2%80%93-i-am-charlie-i-am-not-charlie-have-your-say

National Liberal Debate 15 – What Action Should National Liberals Take At The Polling Stations?  Have Your Say! http://nationalliberal.org/national-liberal-debate-15-what-action-should-national-liberals-take-at-the-polling-stations

National Liberal Debate 16 – How Democratic Will The 2017 EU Referendum Be? Have Your Say! http://nationalliberal.org/national-liberal-debate-16-%e2%80%93-how-democratic-will-the-2017-eu-referendum-be

National Liberal Debate 17 – EU Referendum 2017: What Will Be The Dominant Issues?  Have Your Say! http://nationalliberal.org/national-liberal-debate-17-eu-referendum-2017-what-will-be-the-dominant-issues

National Liberal Debate 18 – Will Peace Ever Be Achieved In The Middle East? Have Your Say!
http://nationalliberal.org/national-liberal-debate-18-%e2%80%93-will-peace-ever-be-achieved-in-the-middle-east-have-your-say

National Liberal Debate 19 – International Women’s Day – Has Anything Changed? Have Your Say! http://nationalliberal.org/national-liberal-debate-18-%e2%80%93-international-women%e2%80%99s-day-%e2%80%93-has-anything-changed-have-your-say

National Liberal Debate 20 – President Donald Trump – Have Your Say! http://nationalliberal.org/national-liberal-debate-18-%e2%80%93-president-donald-trump-have-your-say

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Harrow Voice Says … Support Local shops, Entrepreneurs, Small Businesses & The Self-Employed!

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THE NATIONAL LIBERAL PARTY has spent some time and effort in building the infrastructure of an alternative mass media of news, views and entertainment.  Recently this has taken the form of several e-posters covering atreas as diverse as Devon, Essex, the Isle of Wight and Kent.  (In addition to these e-posters we have produced two issues of the Isle of Wight Voice and issue two of Kent Voice is just out.  We hope to produce the first issue of both Devon Voice and Essex Voice in the very near future).
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The e-poster displayed above marks another development in that it relates to the outer London borough of Harrow.  The slogan Support Local Shops, Entrepreneurs, Small Businesses & The Self-Employed! will be very familiar to National Liberals – however, why have we used the flag of Middlesex as the background to the e-poster?
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One of the main reasons is that Harrow actually started life as a municipal borough of Middlesex.  It became part of Greater London in 1965 when the capital was greatly expanded to take in other areas that used to belong to Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent and Surrey.
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However, many National Liberals believe that London is far too large and that the principle of ‘Small Is Beautiful’ should be applied here.  This would mean that the capital should only consist of what’s known as its inner boroughs – Camden, Greenwich, Hackney, Hammersmith and Fulham, Islington, Kensington and Chelsea, Lambeth, Lewisham, Southwark, Tower Hamlets, Wandsworth and Westminster.
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The outer London boroughs should then revert to their original counties – thus the current London Borough of Harrow would be returned to Middlesex.  Much of Middlesex itself has been incorporated into Greater London and it’s felt that this county should be resurrected.
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It has a long and rich history – Middlesex gets its name from the Middle Saxons or Middel Seaxe who settled the area.  It became part of the Kingdom of Essex – land of the East Saxons – but was ceded to Mercia in the 9th century (825).  (Before English unification in 927 under King Æthelstan, Mercia was one of England’s seven main Kingdoms.  The others were Northumbria, East Anglia, Essex, Kent, Sussex and Wessex).
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As well as supporting Harrow Voice’s message – that the borough’s local shops, entrepreneurs, small businesses & the self-employed should all be supported – we’d appreciate any thoughts concerning the idea of reducing the size of London by returning Harrow to Middlesex.  As usual, please post your comments when you see this article appear on the National Liberal Party’s Facebook page, the details of which can be found below.
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See here https://britishcountyflags.wordpress.com/category/middlesex/
for more information on Middlesex.
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Issue 2 Of Kent Voice Out Now!

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Sexuality And Politics (Part 1)
DOES YOUR SEXUALITY automatically determine your politics? Are gay people predestined to be ‘liberal-leftist’ in orientation whilst straight people are automatically more ‘conservative’ in outlook?

Both the ‘left’ and ‘right’ seem to think so. For instance, the ‘left’ (particularly groups like the Socialist ‘Workers’ Party) seem to believe that they have the monopoly when it comes to supporting gay rights and attracting gay support. On the other hand, many on the ‘right’ would automatically reject – without a moments thought – anything said by, or relating to, gays. Indeed, as we have seen, some folks in groups like the United Kingdom Independence Party have – in the past – blamed storms and heavy floods that have raged across Britain on the Government’s decision to legalise gay marriage!

In this highly personal article, South Derbyshire-based Liam Clarke argues that both ‘left’ and ‘right’ have got it wrong. Indeed, he effectively argues for a ‘Third Way’ beyond their positions and claims that it is possible to be both gay and patriotic. This is the first of a two part article.

(Please note that the use of the phrase ‘Third Way’ in this introduction does not imply any official link with any organisation or group of a similar name, In the context of this article, and as stated above, it is used to convey the idea of a political position that is neither ‘left’ nor ‘right’ – indeed a political position that goes way beyond ‘left’ and ‘right’ as they are traditionally understood).

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Queer Patriotism: From Alexander The Great To Turing And Beyond …

Alexander III of Macedon (356 – 323 BC), commonly known as Alexander the Great. King, warrior, patriot … and gay?

I HAVE WARNED people many times about the dangers of extremism.  Not just from a moral standpoint, but also from the point of safety.  We know both extreme ‘left’ and ‘right’ have caused destruction, fear and death.  But now the ‘right’ have made it personal – for there are ramblings from the ‘right’ that you cannot be patriotic and gay.  I’m sure the intelligent among you can grasp the absolute stupidity of this statement.  But what is needed, I think, is a greater look into the folly of this idea.

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We start in Macedonia, with one of the most successful rulers in history, even more remarkable considering the present state of Greece in our modern age.  I speak of Alexander the Great, the suffix of his name merely indicates the kind of man we are dealing with here.  Here was a man who commanded one of the greatest empires in history, not one that he inherited, but one that he created.  His military exploits are still of great interest today.  Even today he is seen as a figurehead and hero for many in the nations of Southern Europe.
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Alexander had many wives, but from the evidence we know that his greatest “beloved” was a man by the name of Hephaestion, his own bodyguard.  It is clear that the death of Hephaestion shook the great King to his core, many historians arguing that this event contributed to the failing helath of Alexander.
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The full extent of Alexander the Great’s empire.

At this point, it’s important to note that the relationship between Alexander and Hephaestion is put alongside that of Achillies and Patroclus (1 – 2) as well as bearing remarkable similarities to the love of David and Jonathan (3 – 4).  Here, the former was said to love the latter “more than a woman”.

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Before alarm bells start ringing, don’t you think that it’s strange that I’ve not yet mentioned sex?  Should there need to be?  You see as a homosexual for me it is not about sex, just as the most dedicated of heterosexual couples will tell you.  The assumption is, however, from the less educated that to be a homosexual/bisexual is merley a love of anal intercourse.  Rubbish!  To love someone is to be lifted to a plain much higher than mere bodily pleasures, somewhere where no-one outside this union of two people can reach.  Throughout ancient history, we see that the relationships between people of the same gender could have a two fold approach.
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One approach, in my view, was a sign of dominance and power, especially when being performed as a Pagan rite.  (Note that particularly hardline homophobes do not mention nor care about the fact that it was perfectly moral to have sex with every woman that took a mans fancy!)  But with Alexander, Achillies, David, Hadrian and many more it seems that they had one special man in their lives, someone for whom they would live and die for.  Granted many homosexual and indeed hetrosexual relationships in the Western world today do not adhere to this ‘one special person’ policy, and that is essentially what we should be discussing, not with whom.
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(1) http://historyoftheancientworld.wordpress.com/2012/05/11/achilles-and-patroclus/
(2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achilles_and_Patroclus
(3) http://pleaseconvinceme.com/2012/were-david-and-jonathan-homosexual-lovers/
(4) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_and_Jonathan
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Shop Local In Accrington!

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Welsh Youth Say BreXit Now!
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WALES voted for Brexit.  The exact figures from the EU Referendum of June 2016 show that 854,572 (52.5%) voters in Wales chose to leave the EU, compared with 772,347 (47.5%) supporting Remain.
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A massive turnout (over 70%) saw the vast bulk of Wales’ council areas voting for Leave with a majority in 17 backing Brexit.  This meant that only five areas – Gwynedd, Cardiff, Ceredigion, the Vale of Glamorgan and Monmouthshire – voted for Remain.
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Indeed, the vote in Wales – along with that in England – meant that the UK would leave the European Union.
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Although the Welsh establishment wanted to remain in the EU, the electorate thought otherwise.  They voted with both their head and heart and opted for a future outside of what – in our view – is rapidly turning into an extremely centralist political and economic system.
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The vision of Liberal Future (LF) is of free and independent European nations running their internal affairs in the way that suits them best.  This is the polar opposite of the EU which is rapidly merging into an anti-democratic United States of Europe.
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Despite this urge for Welsh freedom (away from the EU) the Welsh Government spent over £84,000 on the Brexit case at the Supreme Court in London.  As this news report  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-38636508 notes, the Welsh Government were forced to deny that the case was a bid to block Brexit.
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So much for the politicians respecting the will of the electorate!
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Despite elements of the Welsh (and British) establishment trying their best to prevent Brexit, the latest news indicates that Prime Minister Theresa May has announced that the UK is still on course to leave the EU http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38641208
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It’s clear that the Remainers – or Remaniacs as some folks call them! – intend to frustrate this.  Who knows what they will try before or after Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty is served by the end of March?
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Therefore, it is up to those who voted for Brexit to continue fighting for independence, freedom and democracy.
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• THIS ARTICLE should be read in conjunction with the following:
Liberal Future Says BreXit Now! http://nationalliberal.org/liberal-future-says-%e2%80%a6-brexit-now
English Youth Say BreXit Now! http://nationalliberal.org/english-youth-says-brexit-now
Scottish Youth Say BreXit Now! http://nationalliberal.org/scottish-youth-say-brexit-now
Ulster Youth Say BreXit Now! http://nationalliberal.org/ulster-youth-say-brexit-now
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